TEACHER INTERVIEW 

Crestwood Country Day School - 
May 21, 1992
 
 
 
Q:   Can you tell me about an incident that happened to you or
     someone you know in which your work life was influenced or
     shaped by the head of the school?  That could be in your
     teaching experience or in administration.  How you choose
     curriculum materials, how you discipline students, how you
     communicate with parents.  Any influence of the head of the
     school.
 
A:   I really can, given those three areas, the way I treat
     parents, the way I prepare my class, or choose, because I've
     always felt in the environment in which I've work, and in
     fact in the one public school environment in which I worked
     many years ago in Oakland, California, which was an inner
     city magnet program, I've always felt an incredible amount
     of  (unclear) that there was harmony in my class, in my
     materials.  I guess I've felt I have been very fortunate
     that I have had some good teachers and good mentors.  One
     woman, in particular, I've marveled.  I think I pretty much
     absorbed and stylized her in my own, but I marveled at a lot
     of my...  Certainly, choice of materials, ways of
     presentation, ways of varying class activities.  Part of her
     early teaching to me.  The head of the schools in which I've
     worked have been more in charge of hiring and firing, money.
     I've had to talk a lot about finances with the heads of the
     schools where I've worked.
 
Q:   Can you give me an example of what you mean by talking to
     them about finances?
 
A:   You're offered a contract in March or April, and on a number
     of occasions I've had to go to my head and say, "I need more
     money."  I'm a single mom, I'm a professional person.  For
     awhile I'm a Ph.D. student, as well as a teacher.  I'm
     paying my way through school and supporting two children.  I
     need more money.  This may or may not be relevant, but
     that's what I'm least inclined and least comfortable with,
     discussing money.  So in that regard, I've not always felt
     comfortable with this, because I end up having to talk about
     things that aren't comfortable to me, not comfortable to
     talk about.  I really can't.  If I go ahead with a sort give
     and inspiration and what do you think and can we do this,
     and can we squeeze out something in the budget to
     accommodate this, or I need to go to this conference, what
     do you think?  That's really the way that I've gone to heads
     of schools.
 
Q:   In your administrative work life, have you felt the
     influence of the head in decisions that you make in that position?
 
A:   You know where I've felt it most, both in college counseling
     and in the admissions, and this is a financial issue again
     primarily again, are with D1 families, very privileged, very
     wealthy families.
 
Q:   What's D1?
 
A:   Development I, meaning families that a school really wants
     to have for development purposes, money, to put it very
     crudely.
 
Q:   It's a fact that's part of school life.
 
A:   Yes, yes it is, and it's really significant one, and so
     there will be a candidate, for instance, and you will go to
     your head and say, "I know this candidate is not going to
     make it through committee, or it doesn't look promising."  I
     also know that this candidate has this and this resources or
     these and these connections, or is good friends with the
     president of the board.  You want to confer.  I will go with
     the combination of a problem and a need for a conference.
     In college counseling, a similar thing.  I can't get Johnny
     into Harvard.  YYY has told me that Johnny is
     not going to make it.  I'm going to have to tell this
     family.  The family has invested heavily in the school and
     have their three children here.  You have to go to your head
     and say this is the situation.  Sometimes I have worked with
     one head who said, "Oh, I'll take care of everything.  I'll
     call YYY.  Surely, they have not (unclear) some.
     In a sense that undermines my authority, if you will, my
     position.  Maybe that's an example when I've had to go, in a
     professional context, to a head.
 
Q:   And they may make decisions contrary to your beliefs about
     the needs of that child, or do they generally support you?
 
A:   I can, perhaps to a fault, be a real egalitarian.  I try to
     look at the context of the admissions candidate pretty
     equally.  That's why I take particular families or
     particular folders to people above me, because if it were
     me, it's difficult for me to see someone with money in a
     more advantageous or privileged position than someone who
     works equally as hard and who is as deserving of a place.
 
Q:   And what might the head say to you?
 
A:   Well, in cases of real D1 families, with an able, competent
     student, chances are that student will be admitted before
     maybe a few others a little more able or highly qualified,
     because you're balancing a number of factors, really.
 
Q:   Can you tell me about an incident in which your work life
     was influenced or shaped by the board of trustees?
 
A:   Well, probably indirectly I've had to change my career path
     because of boards, because of cutting out positions or,
     using the context of teaching, cutting back on like the...
     Even in independent schools, the first thing to go are some
     of the electives.  I think primarily because of my training,
     I am able to teach some of the eleventh and twelfth grade
     electives; but if you have to tighten the budget and the
     enrollment is down a little bit, and you have to cut back on
     some of the class offerings, often it would be the
     electives, which could mean fewer courses for me.  And then
     the question is, okay, will you teach a core a course, which
     essentially is  a survey course, or what are we going to do
     with you?  So, yeah, I guess the board is pretty
     significant.  But the issue is I don't have any, except in a
     social setting, I don't have any correspondence or
     communication with the board.  I write reports to the board,
     but I don't go to board meetings, for instance.  My material
     is presented to the board, but not me.
 
Q:   Can you tell me about an incident in which your work life
     was influenced or shaped by state or federal programs,
     regulations or mandates?
 
A:   Probably the magnet program that I taught in in Oakland,
     California.
 
Q:   That was in public?
 
A:   That's public.
 
Q:   And your private school experience?
 
A:   Ask the question again.
 
Q:   Have you, can you tell me about an incident in which your
     work life was influenced or shaped by state or federal
     programs or regulations?
 
A:   In a private school?
 
Q:   Yes
 
A:   No, because the funding, public funding is (unclear).
 
Q:   Any legal or judicial judgments that might have influenced
     your work life?
 
A:   Outside the school?  State legislation, are you thinking of?
     Now again, in independent schools very limited effect.
 
Q:   Can you tell me about an incident in which your work life
     was influenced or shaped by a parent?
 
A:   Gosh.  I work with parents all day every day, and as an
     admissions officer, that's where the admissions picture
     begins, with the parents coming in.
 
Q:   And how might they influence you and your work?
 
A:   Well, it's an interview, essentially.  They provide
     information about their family and about their children, and
     that needs to be reported.  My responsibility is reporting
     that and synthesizing it essentially, trying to weigh things
     that they say and to gauge and project how the family would
     do in the school environment.  
     
In college counseling parents play a tremendous role, and they can put incredible pressure on me as a college counselor. "Johnny has got to get into college. I want you to do everything you can to get him in that school." And often people like that, and it doesn't mean just Harvard it can be Westminster College, will try to wield power over you. Again, it's that you have to do this work, but I'm telling you how to do it, undermining in a sense maybe your professionalism, your training, your experience and expertise.
 In teaching, you have a duty to
     share with parents what's going on, while at the same time
     guard the kids, the high school kids in particular.  That
     they are individuals.  This is their work, this is their
     business here on campus, and yet that pull of, by necessity
     keeping track of their problems and their development.  Of
     all the questions you just asked, I'd say that the parents
     are the most influential in my line of support, the most
     influential factors.
 
Q:   Can you think of any specific examples of parents'
     influence?
 
A:   Negative or positive?  Or are you thinking of negative?
 
Q:   Either.
 
A:   Not in teaching.  I think I've worked that through, usually,
     by being very clear in the beginning as to what the
     expectations are and how those expectations need to be met
     and keeping the lines of communication pretty open.  Always
     willing to talk, always welcome.  I think that that's really
     important.  There has been a recent incident.  There are two
     incidents going on in my professional life which might be of
     interest to you.  Qualified applicant, not a lot of space.
     We don't need, in terms of numbers, we don't need the
     applicant, but meets qualifications.  There are some holes
     in the quantitative testing, so I have requested additional
     testing. It is very expensive, $1200.  The family complies.
     We have the testing done, and the report really essentially
     confirmed that there are holes in the child's cognitive
     profile; and it is those holes that led us, as a committee,
     to have doubts about the appropriateness of his candidacy.
     Parents called.  Pressure.  They've done everything that we
     asked them to do, why can't we take their son?  They had
     their educational specialist call, who as she is speaking
     with me said clearly I did not understand how to read the
     material, because if I read the material correctly I would l
     see that the child has learned to compensate and is a very
     capable student.  Another specialist calls, dropping names
     of my head and all (unclear).  So all of this mystique and
     pressure, and someone knows someone who knows someone, and
     clearly I'm at fault for not admitting their child, even
     though repeatedly I assure them it was a committee decision,
     that we asked for more information so that we can, to the
     best of our capabilities, admit the child.  There are
     parents really getting in the way of my professional
     behavior.  That's the kind of situation.
 
Q:   Can you tell me about an incident in which your work life
     was influenced or shaped by a professional organization with
     which you identify.
 
A:   Oh, I love the national organizations to which I belong.
     The National Council of Teachers of English.  About once
     every two to three years I'll go to a week-long conference
     and pick up more ideas and swap things that I do.  It is
     certainly a professional contact.  The American Association
     of University Women is a very vital organization.
     Unfortunately, though I'd like to be more involved, maybe
     even in a leadership role or a committee kind of role, I
     don't have the time.  But they are incredible resources,
     information, what to do in situations.  Admission workshops
     are very helpful because you work with case studies, such as
     the one I just described to you.  We might spend a whole
     morning talking about the Joneses and every step, and how
     could I have done it better or what language would have been
     more effective in dealing with these people or...   You
     know, learning, sharing, wondering, that sort of thing.  So,
     national organizations are very, very potent helpful to me.
 
Q:   You have examples that you used, as that case.  Did you
     begin to feel pressure from the head of the school?
 
A:   No, no.  The head of the school was very supportive.
 
Q:   Because I'm wondering if you run to the association about
     different ways to use language to communicate with parents
     and get your perspective across to them, I was wondering if
     that would cause friction somewhere else.  The board or...?
 
A:   No, it's probably because I'm cautious and don't tend to be
     brash, at least on the professional side of things.  I take
     lots of notes.  I transcribe telephone conversations, and as
     some red flags are going up, and "I'll think I have my
     educational consultant from New York call you," or "I'll
     speak with Dr. 'Smoogamoo'," I will say to my head, "Look
     out, I think Dr. Smoogamoo from New York is going to be
     calling and is probably going to use my name."  Or in the
     notes in the folder, it will say, "Tough conversation with
     the conversations with the Joneses last night.  They are not
     happy with the way things are going for them."  You know,
     I'll try to do that.  It helps me, too, to make sure that to
     the best of my ability I'm sort of on the right track.  You
     know, I've made goofs.  I've made lots of goofs and am
     usually assertive with shaking voice and shaking hand will
     have to call up somebody and say, well, "Perhaps I didn't
     make myself clear."  Or, "Perhaps this is a situation we can
     reconsider and take to the Committee again."  Or, I'll call
     a college up and say, "I know you're going to like this guy.
     You really missed the boat on this.  Is there anything I can
     do further on his behalf."  You know, I try not to get too
     personally involved, as that case scenarios, that I can't
     back step a little bit or redo something in a better way.
     No, I've always been endorsed by my heads when the going
     gets rough.
 
Q:   Can you tell me about an incident that happened to you in
     which your work life was influenced or shaped by in-service
     training or your own continued education?
 
A:   Well, again, the workshops.  I think of one, in particular,
     two years ago in Atlanta.  I think it was a time when I
     needed refreshing.  I needed some new ideas, and I needed to
     feel a little bit better professionally connected.  It was a
     wonderful week, you know.  A lot of sharing of ideas,
     correspondences began and continued.  That networking for
     professional people, or for anyone, that can be really,
     really important.  You feel like you belong, that you're not
     out there alone doing your English teaching or your
     admissions or your college counseling.  I was at a two-day
     conference in Scottsdale recently, and it was about the
     technology, essentially, in the 21st century.  And that's
     something very foreign to me and something that I'm not
     particularly comfortable with.  But the speakers were so
     effective and so awe-inspiring that it really helped me gain
     some respect for technology and its advantages.  Not so much
     in the work place as in the classroom.  It's possible to use
     this in the conditions in the classroom.  So the in-service
     stuff I love.
 
Q:   Does the school finance that for you?
 
A:   You know, you have to be kind of aggressive about it.  You
     have to go and say, "XXX, I've found this project that would
     be really helpful."  You have to have...  This sounds a
     little bit manipulative, but a little bit of hidden agenda.
     You know, you serve on a committee, knowing that some people
     may be able to use faculty enrichment funds, and I've got a
     conference in my mind, you know.  You keep abreast of
     various associations, so when the that when the conferences
     come up you get a membership rate, instead of the more
     expensive one.  I pay about 50-50.  I've been in schools
     that have been very supportive.  One head sent me to New
     York, all expenses paid, for six days, which was a very
     expensive trip, and all he said was, "Come back ready to
     share with the rest of us."  You know, it was really a
     beautiful gesture and investment and gesture of trust.
 
Q:   Can you tell me about a incident that happened to you in
     which your work life was influenced or shaped by students?
 
A:   Always.  They always shape your life.  Any time you're an
     advisor for anything, for the literary magazine or the
     newspaper, and you're here 20 hours over the week, and your
     life is shaped by your students.  Sometimes you have to
     gamble a little bit and look in the students' eyes and say,
     "Guys, you didn't get the papers done."  In a way, my work
     life is shaped because it is their understanding and failure
     with me that suggests to me that I've been that way with
     them.  I think a faculty member or faculty sponsor has to
     make the giving gestures and the maintaining gestures toward
     mutual trust and respect, and so forth; and it pays off.
     No, I've never been involved in any relationships that would
     change my professional life.  You know, I get attached to my
     kids, shed a tear when they graduate, but I wouldn't say
     they shaped my...  They can shape my life when they come
     back from college.  I have two students, in particular, who
     come back or bring reading lists, and their lists!  God,
     there are books that I've never even heard of, you know,
     that some professor has passed along to them.
 
Q:   You incorporate that and you read them?
 
A:   Sure, I read them for myself, I'll recommend them to other
     people, or I incorporate them into my lessons.
 
Q:   Can you tell me about an incident in which your work life
     was influenced or shaped by colleagues.
 
A:   Well, yes.  I think maybe that mentor that I referred to
     earlier really had an effect.  One of my undergraduate
     professors was a colleague of mine later on.  Though I
     honestly could never completely leave the student-teacher
     role that I had known a number of years earlier and be
     colleague-colleague role, you know, we were teaching on the
     same faculty.  That's a case where that colleague had
     influenced me tremendously.  The way I was, the way I
     talked, the way I posed questions, the way I listened, some
     that I considered very valuable things, working in
     education.
 
Q:   A colleague.  Is there much of that here now in your current
     role?
 
A:   Oh, I think so.  I think so.  Especially doing both teaching
     and administration.  There are two male English faculty
     members on whom I really rely to try some ideas out.  What
     do you think?  Can we do this?  What do you think of this?
     Will this fly?  And there's mutuality.  They'll say,
     "Stephanie, you tried to do this month, you were thinking of
     this, how did it go?"  This is very valuable with me,
     because as an administrator on the other 50%, I can feel
     dissociated sometimes, very disconnected.  So, at the very
     quick, concentrated intensely connected.
 
Q:   You mentioned working weekends on newspapers.  Is that a
     newspaper here?
 
A:   Yes.
 
Q:   Is there an understanding that when you work at a private
     school that there are non-teaching times that you are
     obligated to?
 
A:   Well, I think I probably go above and beyond the call of
     obligation; and I've got this sort of rescue.  It was a need
     that needed to be attended to.  There was a real deficiency
     that needed to be helped along, and I wouldn't mind not
     doing it, frankly.  But, if you do it, you do it right and
     you do it wholeheartedly, and you come in on weekends.  And
     it's important to the kids, and that's real important to the
     kids.  So, yes, I guess I'm obliged to do it.  I could do
     less and still get by.  The newspaper could get out, and I
     could do a less efficient job, but I don't think that has
     anything to do with professionalism.  I think it has more to
     do with my personality and the way I do things.
 
Q:   Can you describe, out of your own experience or that of
     someone you know directly, a creative attempt made to
     improve the classroom teaching methods, the curriculum or
     student achievement that was thwarted or substantially
     altered by any of these sources of influence.
 
A:   Absolutely not.  No.  Uh-uh.  The closest that I could
     contribute that is, once I was being observed.  The person
     who observed, a person I had a lot of respect for,
     transcribed everything that went on in the classroom.  She
     wrote a whole dia...  You know, everything that went on, and
     then took the time to go over the log with me, and I was
     responding to the kids' comments by saying, "um-hmm, oh yes,
     thank you, next."  Not very emphatic praise.  You know, sort
     of dutifully I was getting to everyone, the same number of
     boys and the same number of girls were called on, the same
     in the front, the same in the back.  You know, I was meeting
     some of the "good teacherly" kinds of qualifications, but I
     was very bland in my response to the comments of the kids,
     "Uh-huh, thank you, yes," and she pointed this out.  No
     value statement, she just pointed this out, and maybe that's
     a case in which not thwarted but instructed, I guess,
     influenced.
 
Q:   Are there evaluations done of teachers here?
 
A:   Yep.
 
Q:   And how is that accomplished?
 
A:   Well, I can't quite tell you.  There are some things sort of
     mysterious about it and something that I feel is not the
     best way of doing things, frankly.  A person will arrive in
     your classroom unannounced and sit down and do something on
     paper.  Then somehow, under some circumstances, report back
     to, I don't really know who.  I have guesses as to who, and
     then how it's filtered through, but clearly it's not
     friendly, it's not hospitable.  It's not, "Thank you for
     having me in your class."  In fact, at one point this year,
     this person said, "Ha-ha, I get to come in your class."  I
     mean, it felt definitely threatening and almost malicious.
 
Q:   Are these other teachers or administrators?
 
A:   No, teachers.  It's someone working on an evaluation
     program.  This is something that I wouldn't ever like.  I
     have real problems with.  I think evaluation, and I think
     in-house evaluation, is absolutely critical to the growth
     and development of an institution.  I think there are better
     ways and better moods and tones to set than what I observe
     here.
 
Q:   And does the teacher get feedback?
 
A:   No.  Let me say on the times that I have been evaluated I
     have not received any feedback.
 
Q:   And how is that evaluation used?
 
A:   I cannot tell you.
 
Q:   Okay.
 
A:   I mean, I can't tell you because I don't know.  I have
     about...  I need to go.  Do you have more questions?
 
Q:   I have two more.
 
A:   Okay.
 
Q:   Can you describe for me a failed attempt by any of these
     sources to influence you that you resisted, and how were you
     able to work around these influences?
 
A:   No.  I've really had some pretty wonderful relationships in
     schools and administrators.
 
Q:   You've never had to work around the rules?
 
A:   Umn-umm. (Negative response)
 
Q:   And what does it mean to you when people talk about
     bureaucratic constraints on teachers?
 
A:   Well, generally what it means to me is that there is a
     hierarchy in the system, as opposed to some kind of
     cooperative and maybe horizontal formation of the system and
     that the tops of the hierarch dictate what the lower parts
     of the hierarchy do.  I've felt very little of that.  Let me
     just say, I think probably I've had the advantage, the
     professional advantage, of being one of the "hierarchy",
     because the systems that I do work in are very hierarchical,
     while at the same time being a teacher.  Fortunately, the
     conflicts that have arisen are more on my time and my energy
     and my allegiance to duty.  I mean, do I put students first,
     or do I deal with a committee report first, that sort of
     thing; as opposed to conflicts from the bureaucracy upon me
     or to me.  I really think that, and this is actually in
     independent education one of the strongest arguments for
     having the administrators teach, they are under their own
     jurisdiction, in a way, and their colleagues' jurisdiction.
     I am evaluated as a teacher, while at some point I would
     probably be involved in the assessment of those evaluations.
     I obviously work for a head, a head of an upper school as a
     teacher and a head of the head of the whole school.  At the
     same time, they'll call me and say, "Hey, I've been thinking
     about this curriculum change.  What about that method?"  So
     we'll be, if you will, switched colleagues.